a guy who for four years has gone unchallenged at least in the same room with anyone. his demeanor, his answers from exactly what you saw during presidential press conference over the last few years. that's the way he responded to romney, to whom he barely acknowledged. he was acting like this was just you know, something that he didn't have to deign to do. that was a huge mistake. it will be a wake-up call to him. it's very much like to me what happened in 2004 when you recall the first debate with john kerry, george w. bush was a little peevish and snapish because he was coming in to the first debate as the guy who had been the president for the previous four years. >> cenk: that's an interesting point. you know i hate to give the right wing any kind of credence but they've been calling him a celebrity, and i don't think it applies in a lot of ways, but this may have been one case where like celebrities no one challenges them in their own little bubble. in their room nobody says you're wrong, this is not the right way to go. i wonder if he fell into that trap, joe, w